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Give Rewards for dewarding to the dewarder...and more gold

Discussion in 'Dota Chat' started by Skurai, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. Skurai

    Skurai Member

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    Currently it cost 100 gold to buy a sentry and u get 160 gold when u deward. One irritating issue is that u place the sentry, reveal the ob ward but your allie destroys the ward and takes the gold.

    Thus, i suggest tweak it such that the placing the sentry ward to reveal the observer ward = gives 100 gold and destroying the ward gives 60 gold.

    Furthermore, reveal enemy sentry ward should also give 50 gold. This way, good warding = is rewarded.

    Isnt it nice to hear the ka-ching sound when u place a sentry ward properly..because it reveals the enemy observer ward and sentry wards. Supporters should be properly acknowledge for their play.

    Of course, make it such that each ward gives the reveal reward once and not multiple times.
     
  2. DasKobold

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    In my opinion you already get too much gold for dewarding. Before this recent change dewarding was free since you got your gold back but right now you do not only get your gold back but you are also getting rewarded.

    I can give you some advice here as a support player, always save a tango for dewards and make sure nobody is around. Same with tomes, when buying them make sure nobody can steal them.
     
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  3. Skurai

    Skurai Member

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    No way. Most sentry wards will not reveal an orb ward. Thus, it is still a cost.
    The 160 gold for ob ward has encouraged more support play but it can be improved.

    Well, at least support players are more encouraged to ward now.
     
  4. Oesile

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    That's bad sentry placement, with two sents you should always find the observer if you have a proper reason to suspect that's where the observer is- otherwise why not just litter the map with sentries? If you get enough out of it that it pays for 2 sents there is not much cost to clearing observers this way.

    What I do agree with however, is that revealing the observer for the first time should reward gold rather then a fixed 160 gold for killing it, or something to that extent- heroes like Zeus or Nightstalker get so much value out of dewarding with their abilities that I don't believe they should get rewarded so much for it.
    Denying vision is already a big deal to begin with.
     
  5. Skurai

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    This game is still lacking support players because no one likes to be the support and have little gold and have to ward which is boring. People play for fun. Without supports, game often goes bad for the team without it. But there are alot of players that dont mind losing but they just wont ward. They wont do wat is not fun... and not rewarding.

    Not uncommon for people to quarrel and report for wards....
    Valve should be realistic. People play for fun only.
     
  6. Daddy Sven

    Daddy Sven Moderator Staff Member

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    Forced position 5 is just a standard in comp oriented play. Truth be told, it's all about gold management. You don't really need a dedicated support often times due to babysit carries not being a thing anymore along with: greater access to gold, cheaper support utility items, backpack, tome of knowledge and powerspike talents.

    There are thousands of strategies in this game, but playing with rando├ęs limits them greatly. Find people you can communicate easily with, form different teams and you'll find much greater flexibility and control over your preferred "role".
     
  7. Daddy Sven

    Daddy Sven Moderator Staff Member

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    The support's role is to provide ease of access to gold to his teammates. Allowing an ally to snug 160g and prevent enemy vision is a job well done for a support.
     
  8. Skurai

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    Yep, the 160 gold helps encourage sentry warding but more could be done.

    Sometimes, support places the sentry to reveal the ob ward but allie destroys the ob ward and gets the 160 gold. The supporter definitely wants the 160 lol.
    Thus, the hero placing the sentry that reveals the observer should get 100 gold straight. Destroying the ob ward gives a further 60 gold.

    At least, this 160 gold is a step in the right direction, so far, to encourage sentry warding. More sentry deward does occur these days thanks to it.
     
  9. Skurai

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    Perhaps every 3 observer ward placed
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    Every 2 enemy observer ward revealed by sentry ward

    gives an assist to the player. This is just a little more recognition of the work supporters do. They usually dont get much credit and even get blamed by others at times.