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My Ultimate Tresdin Build

Discussion in 'Dota Chat' started by mapdesigner, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    Hello,

    Just feeling like sharing it. Feel free to critisize.

    Talents:
    • 7 Strength > XP
    • Damage vs Melee, Movement vs Ranged
    • 10 Moment of courage > Armor
    • Press the attack
    Items:
    • Blink
    • BoT
    • AC
    • Butterfly
    • Aghs
    • Abyssal vs Ranged, Deadlus vs Melee, or blademail if useful
    BackPack:
    • Ogre mage Frost Armorer
    • BKB
    • Heart
    Q: why would you go 10 MoC over 7 Armor?
    A: because I have ogre frost Armor in BackPack

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. terrorbringer

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    Replace Butterfly with BM and always Abyssal if the game goes late.That item wrecks melees too.
     
  3. adapt

    adapt Member

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    If you're going Blink anyway then you shouldn't get the movement talent, even when up against ranged.
     
  4. effreit89

    effreit89 Member

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    I always get the XP talent.. since all of her later talents are relevant (and that lvl25 talent is crazy good)
    Also, her skills are better maxed out the earliest possible.

    I get the +20MS everytime since at level15, since it enables you to actually hit people outside of Duel.
    That 30 damage won't help you kill your targets if you're behind and irrelevant when you're snowballing hard.

    I also actually find chasing items + Echo seem better on her ( chasing items also come with durability )

    Also, in the very VERY lategame, I find the survivability that the Aghs provide is irreplaceable.
    (given, you already have tons of Duel damage).. heck I'd consider a Refresher at that stage of the game.

    So:

    -Blink
    -BoT
    -BM
    -Skadi/Silver
    -Abyssal/Echo
    -Aghs

    (this assumes you have decent Duel damage gained)
     
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  5. Bargh

    Bargh Member

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    Lol all lc needs is blink+bm
     
  6. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    yes but I want to have some luxury lol

    and since butterfly is cool im always gonna get it :D
     
  7. FightFightFight

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    Items like Bfly or AC are pretty pointless on LC, cuz he's not about maximizing DPS and physical EHP. Blademail on him has more damage potential than right-click items at any game stage, and he needs Halberd for triggering linkens/survival, so the final build looks something like Blink/BoT/Blademail/Aghs/Halberd/Abyssal
     
  8. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    @FightFightFight
    I never ever make halber. I rather get diffusal as it is much much better on LC. Helps chasing and can easily trigger linken. it synergize much better with blademail.

    halber also cost too much mana for linken. Diffusal does not, and halber does not give attack speed.
     
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  9. Infrisios

    Infrisios Moderator Staff Member

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    That build isn't worth anything without a buildorder and general guide. Anything for LC, literally, is game-dependant. Because of that, what you posted has little to no value.
     
  10. mapdesigner

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    Helm of dominator is always useful and can never be situational, except the fact that you need some spare coins to buy it.
     
  11. Infrisios

    Infrisios Moderator Staff Member

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    That is plain wrong. It is always useful, but it isn't always the best option. LC has to invest money into buying it, and it does not come cheap, and time into utilizing it, which is also an incredibly rare resource.

    Just blindly grabbing Frost Armor ogres isn't really worth a lot because the only time when it does something is once you're 6-slotted anyway. Before that, it's the better choice to grab something with actual value. I mean, it's 2k gold for... what? 20 AS? +2 to all stats? Regen which is nice, but neglegible? Even the armor bonus from your beloved Ogre isn't really worth it. Considering raw items, an Armlet gives you significantly more. More AS, comparable HP regen and armor, some damage, an active that has a greater effect (for LC, anyway). Plus, early on, Frost Armor primarily wastes time and potential MoC procs.
     
  12. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    yes I put in my backpack in my ultimate build.

    ultimate build assumes you have infinite gold and can buy whatever you please. Think of it like dream build. being most effecient is another story.
     
  13. invul_nerable

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    adapt and mapdesigner like this.
  14. FightFightFight

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    Blink + Sange already covers chasing well. Halberd just happens to be good because it's upgrade of Sange, which is efficient mid-game HP item. Diffusal is situational, because it gives no survivability, and the active is unusable when ulting.

    But Halberd is not meant to be rushed. When it comes to upgrading Sange, LC has a lot of excess mana. And does he really need tons of attacks speed?
     
  15. mapdesigner

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    Im never but in scarce mana, especially with my PTA cd talent.

    @FightFightFight can you explain how halberd is anymore reliable than diffusal? o_O

    I thought it was the other way around

    @tinker

    Tresdin Armor can go up to 11, with AC it's 26. It is still below that of most carries. Buying helm of dominator in backPack seems quite nice and makes LC have nearly as mich Armor as sven, face, blood, and most Agi carries. At such Armor the +7 talent wouldnt be better than Moment of Courage. Only exception would be vs slardar


    Do you think there would be any item better in back pack than helm?

    I can see the best 3 being helm bkb and refresher. Only point is that i uaually put refresher in stash rather than backPack
     
  16. ManOnTheCan

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    1) why butterfly?

    2) why ogre Magi and not alpha Wolf?
     
  17. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    1) I like to dodge bashes from troll face and slarkdar. Other bonuses aint bad either.

    2) because Alpha wolf does not increase my duel bonus and I feel ineffecient buying him. Also, by the time I get to have helm, I already have decent duels. At start I sure would get bm or other items that actually help me duel better than wolf
     
  18. invul_nerable

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    My ultimate build is:

    Divine
    Divine
    Divine
    Divine
    Divine
    Travel
    Consumed moonshard

    Divine substitutes depending on situation:
    MKB for evasions
    BKB for disables
    Dagger for chase
    Silver edge for 50% damage reduction and break
    Skadi for constant slows
    Abyssal for Manfighting and Linken break
    AC for Manfighting and team aura
    Aghs for true one on one
    Desolator for tower pushing
    Shivas guard for additional teamfighting presence
    Bloodthorn for spellcasters
    Daedalus for instant face removal

    Poor mans divine substitute:
    Blademail for Manfighting when poor
    Heavens Halberd for poor mans BKB popping against right clickers
    Orchid for poor mans BKB popping for spell casters
    Shadow blade rich mans smoke / poormans silver edge

    Backpack:
    Refresher for double duel because one duel aint enough